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访谈丨Shankar Saanthakumar:机械如何为观者创造一个情感旅程

2023-06-08

     2023年5月29日,跨媒介艺术家Shankar Saanthakumar来到武汉,与低科技艺术实验室共同开展合作项目Ximulacra。本次,我们邀请跨媒介艺术家Shankar进行一场对话,试图了解他对艺术、科技与自然的看法以及对不同文化背景下艺术创作的见解。

Shankar Saanthakumar
跨媒体艺术家,2023英国大使馆文化教育部中英文化连线(CtC)基金获得者


          Colours and sounds have harmonies as a result of synchronising oscillators in the world.

颜色与声音的和谐共生是世界同步振荡的结果
——Josha Bach

采访者:林婧元

时间:2023年6月3日
地点:华中师范大学美术学院801教室



Extracellular Matrix

Shankar Saanthakumar
2023


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关于Shankar Saanthakumar 


Q: 作为建筑学专业出身的艺术家,是什么契机促使您研究数字计算、机械和艺术装置?能否请您简要介绍一下您的背景和经历?相关的背景和研究对您的艺术创作产生了什么样的影响?


A: I have degrees in architecture and bio-design, however, I don't think I was a very good student as I was always distracted by many other topics. It is the combination of these other topics that have influenced my recent art projects. So I felt that going down the specific route of the architecture wasn't quite right for me. However, working as an artist I can explore all the things that interest my mind in a fun way. And before my architecture studies, when I was a child and teenager, I really enjoyed tinkering with computers. So it felt like quite a natural progression to bring computing into my art.

我不认为我是一个优秀的学生,尽管我有建筑学和生物集成设计理学的专业背景。我总是被各式各样的话题所干扰,你也可以理解为我对很多事情感兴趣。正是因为好奇心,各式各样的主题影响了我现有的艺术项目,所以我认为建筑并不适合我。而作为一个艺术家,我可以采取更多有趣的方式探索感兴趣的东西。在学习建筑学之前,我只是个青少年,但我对计算机很感兴趣,对我来说将计算机、算法与艺术相结合是自然而然的结果


Q: 我们了解到您正在研究感知、具身与数字-模拟混合场景,您如何看待三者的结合?


A:My early work involved a lot of analogue photography. I carried my camera around a lot so I built up a big archive of photographs on many different themes. Now I find myself incorporating these photos into my new projects. I like to think a lot about how my eyes and brain, as well as the mechanics of my camera, perceive the world when I take photos. For my current project, I wanted to think of a different way of experiencing the image data in the analogue film negatives. This led to the idea for project Ximulacra, a robot which interprets the analogue image data as digital dance in 3D space. So this creates two layers of perception. The first is the robot reading the analogue film negatives, and embodying that into its motion. Then, the human viewer reads the motion of the robot as an abstraction layer from the image itself.

我早期的工作与胶片摄影有关,我经常带着相机到处进行拍摄,同时建立了一个不同主题的大型照片库。现在,这些照片给了我灵感,与我的新作品相融合。我喜欢且善于思考,当我摄影时,我能感受到我的眼睛、大脑以及相机是如何感知这个世界的。在我目前的作品中,我常希望以不同的方式来模拟胶片底片中的图像数据,这也是Ximulacra项目的灵感来源。作品Ximulacra以机械的形式重新解析图像数据,并将其转译为三维空间的数字舞蹈。这创造了两层感知:第一层感知是作品扫描胶片底片,并将其体现在机械运动中。第二层感知是观者将机械装置的运动(舞蹈)解读为胶片底片的数据抽象体现。

Ximulacra 原型设计

Shankar Saanthakumar+Low Tech Art Lab

2023


Q: 您的作品大多和视觉、摄影以及音乐有关,您最喜欢哪件作品?在创作中常使用哪些技术手段?对于艺术与科技的结合,您又是如何看待它们的未来?


A: I think humans have always used the technology around them to create art. At one stage it would have been natural pigments, then paint, and now we are surrounded by computers so for some that may become their tool. I have also developed the concept of Digital-Analogue hybrid scenes to create live coded visuals for an experimental electronic music night called Wavetable in Edinburgh. A quote which inspired this work is “Colours and sounds have harmonies as a result of synchronising oscillators in the world” - Josha Bach. I found this interesting as previously I have not worked with audio and music much, and I felt quite alien to that world. However, during the process of making visual art for music I realized that there is a lot of conceptual crossover between the two worlds. The same language is often used to describe and build the work too, for example: composition, tone, texture.

我认为人类热衷于使用触手可得的技术来创造艺术。在某一个阶段,技术可能是颜料、油漆,只是现在我们被计算机所包围,因此对一些人来说,计算机就可能成为他们的工具。我提出数字-模拟混合场景的概念,并以此为主题为爱丁堡的实验性电子音乐之夜Wavetable进行实时视觉编码。让我决定开启这项工作的一句话是:"颜色与声音的和谐共生是世界同步振荡的结果" - Josha Bach。我觉得这句话很有意思,以前我不怎么接触音频和音乐,我对音乐的世界感到很陌生。然而,在为音乐制作视觉艺术的过程中,我意识到音乐和视觉有很多概念上的交融。与之进行类比,我认为构图、音调、质地等都可以作为视觉语言被用来描述和构建作品。

Urban Continuum 演出现场

Shankar Saanthakumar

2023


Q: 所以您认为技术只是一个工具,更重要的是艺术家的概念和想法。


A: Yes, I think what is most important is the artistic expression and creating an emotional journey in the viewer.

是的,我认为最重要的是艺术表达和如何为观者创造一个情感旅程。


       This is something positive for me and it keeps my mind in a constant child-like state of curiosity.
这使我的大脑始终处于一种兴奋状态,我像孩子一样拥有极强的好奇心。


Ximulacra 原型测试

Shankar Saanthakumar+Low Tech Art Lab

2023


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Shankar Saanthakumar 

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低科技艺术实验室 


Q: 您是如何了解到低科技艺术实验室的,为什么会选择和我们合作?


A: I saw your Uploader project on the internet, which I thought was really cool! As I was thinking about this Ximulacra project where I wanted to create a physical computing device/robot, I thought that it would be a good match to collaborate with you.

当我在计划推进Ximulacra时,我在互联网上搜索并看到了低科技艺术实验室的作品Uploader,我觉得它真的很酷!我希望Ximulacra能以物理计算设备或机器人的形式呈现,因此,我认为与低科技艺术实验室合作会是一个很好的选择。

上传者(Uploader)

低科技艺术实验室

2018


Q: 本次Ximulacra项目您想传递什么样的信息?该作品预计下半年将在英国爱丁堡展览,您对展览又有什么样的期待?


A:I am interested in how artificial beings such as robots and machines perceive the world around them depending on the perception systems which are built into them. I hope to create a novel dialogue between humans, machines, and nature through a visual channel in the exhibition.

我对机器人和机械等人工生物如何感知他们周围的世界感兴趣,我想知道这是否取决于它们内置的感知系统。同时,我希望通过本次展览中的视觉渠道,在人类、机器和自然之间创造一种新的对话方式


Q: 在进行作品构思与作品创作时,您是如何梳理创作脉络与灵感来源的?是从作品的概念性出发还是技术性出发?


A: There is no formal rule that I follow for this. Sometimes an interesting concepts starts the creative journey, and at other times it is a cool technology that excite me and sparks my imagination for a project.

在这方面,我没有固定的创作思路或明确的规则可言。有时,一个有趣的概念驱动我开始创作之旅,而在某些时刻,某项技术让我感到兴奋,也会激发我对项目的想象。

作品创作手稿
Shankar Saanthakumar
2023

Q: 从建筑到装置艺术,再加之本次与低科技艺术实验室的合作,每个决定都包含着跨学科的选择,您如何理解跨学科这一合作方式?您所认为的优缺点是什么?


A: I think the disadvantage is that I never feel like an expert at anything and I always have to deal with the friction of learning a new tool. But this is also something positive for me and it keeps my mind in a constant child-like state of curiosity which I enjoy very much!

我认为缺点是在任何领域我从不认为自己是一个专家,我总是不断学习新媒介并感受学习的挣扎与软件磨合的苦楚。但对我来说最大的优点是,这使我的大脑始终处于一种兴奋状态,我像孩子一样拥有极强的好奇心,我非常喜欢这种状态!


Shankar Saanthakumar+Low Tech Art Lab
2023

讲座现场
华中师范大学美术学院二楼阅览中心
2023

      What is most important is for people to make with the tooling which excites and inspires them the most.


人们需要使用最能激发他们兴趣和灵感的媒介进行艺术创作。


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不同文化背景下的艺术表达


Q: 能否给我们介绍一些您喜欢的艺术家以及他们的作品?


A: Two   recent   favorite   projects   of   mine   have   been   Michael   Sedbon's Cryptographic Beings and Harrison Pearce's Auto Soma. I think it's important to not limit thinking to just silicone based computation and consider all the different substrates which compute. Cryptographic Beings is a fabulous exploration into this space. Auto Soma offers a critical view into computation and state which is important, and the work is very well produced aesthetically.

最近给我留下深刻印象的两个作品是迈克尔·塞本(Michael Sedbon)《加密生物》(Cryptographic Beings)哈里森·皮尔斯(Harrison Pearce)的《汽车躯体》(Auto Soma)我认为重要的是创作时不要把思维局限在硅胶基复合材料上,我们可以考虑使用不同的计算基质。《加密生物》是对复杂空间的探索,Auto Soma则表明了对计算和现有使用材料的批判性观点。我认为二者的观念都非常重要,这两个作品在视觉美学上的呈现非常优越。


Cryptographic Beings
Michael Sedbon
2022

Auto Soma
Harrison Pearce
2023


Q: 您认为中国艺术家的艺术表达与外国艺术家的艺术表达最大的区别在哪里?对于该领域未来的发展有何看法?


A: Not so much actually, I think we are living in an increasingly connected world where it is very easy for people to see and be inspired by projects made anywhere. So often there is a convergence of similar concepts and aesthetics. I think this makes it even more important for artists to spend time thinking deeply and manufacturing uniquely in their projects, regardless of where they are located.

我认为二者并没有很大的区别,我们生活在一个越来越紧密的世界。人们易于搜索各个地区的作品和项目,并从中获得启发,因此就产生了类似的作品概念和美学趋同的现象。我认为任何地区的艺术家都需要花费更多的时间和精力进行思考,并在自己的作品中实现统一和创新,这一点非常重要。


Mirrored Perpetuity
Shankar Saanthakumar
2023

Q: 您对于该领域未来的发展有何看法?


A: I think this is difficult to predict. Maybe more bio-technology based projects as wetware as an artistic tool is becoming more accessible. What is most important is for people to make with the tooling which excites and inspires them the most, and that will be different for each individual.

我认为这很难预测。湿媒介作为一种艺术工具越来越易于获得,因此也许会有更多基于生物技术的项目。我认为更重要的是,人们需要使用最能激发他们兴趣和灵感的媒介进行艺术创作,而这个媒介对每个人来说都是不同的。



Q: 在中国,有很多学生想成为新媒体艺术家,您对他们有什么建议吗?


A:  Don't worry about disciplinary boundaries and just have fun. Also, value the conceptual and theoretical frameworks which you and your peers generate equally, if not more, than concepts from pre-existing cannons.

不要担心学科的界限,追求艺术的乐趣。另外,要重视自身与好友或团队之间的概念探讨和理论框架,这也许比前人提出的观念更重要。


采访现场
Shankar Saanthakumar+Low Tech Art Lab
2023



网络与数据为艺术家提供了良好的交流平台,线下的艺术合作成为艺术家们沟通协作的现实纽带。无论是在合作中还是采访时,我们能感受到Shankar Saanthakumar对艺术的热爱、对创作的追求以及对世界的探索,他始终致力于在艺术创作与项目合作中进行思想的交流,探索艺术的边界,感受跨学科的艺术表达



采访、撰文:林婧元
排版:张书雅
图片整理:吴志勇、林婧元、张书雅
图片来源:低科技艺术实验室、艺术家、网络来源

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